Comments on: U is for The Ultimates http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/ We're not geeks! Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:29:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Isaac http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3381 Isaac Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:18:37 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3381 no, see, it is the norm- if you've gone out to hand pick a group of "ultimate soldiers", and by you in this instance I'm reffering to Nick Fury, you'll pick out a certain type of individual that appeals to you. Fury isn't interested in the brain/the jock/outsider/princess/rebel breakfast club dynamic for his super team, he wants a bunch of awesome fighters. if Nick Fury, let me repeat myself, NICK FURY of the armies Howling Commandoes, makes a super team, and someone starts to wuss out on him- that person is gone. In fact, if someone he's chosen for a team does start to wuss out in a fight, then that undermines the characterization for Fury in that comic, because that is not a mistake Fury would make. no, see, it is the norm- if you’ve gone out to hand pick a group of “ultimate soldiers”, and by you in this instance I’m reffering to Nick Fury, you’ll pick out a certain type of individual that appeals to you.
Fury isn’t interested in the brain/the jock/outsider/princess/rebel breakfast club dynamic for his super team, he wants a bunch of awesome fighters.
if Nick Fury, let me repeat myself, NICK FURY of the armies Howling Commandoes, makes a super team, and someone starts to wuss out on him- that person is gone.
In fact, if someone he’s chosen for a team does start to wuss out in a fight, then that undermines the characterization for Fury in that comic, because that is not a mistake Fury would make.

]]> By: Caesar http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3377 Caesar Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:49:59 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3377 I don't agree. Or maybe comics over the years has drilled into my head that more than one personality is capable of putting their underwear on the outside of their pants and fighting crime. I can see someone like Peter Parker existing; I can see someone like Clark Kent existing, and so on...people who aren't arrogant overgrown testosterone glands who still have the stones and drive to be a super hero or what not. But beyond my non-agreement, I don't think we're talking about exactly the same thing. I'm not saying everyone in Millar's comics talk somewhat the same, I'm saying they talk almost EXACTLY the same. And it's starting to get annoying. It's to the point now that something happens and I'll think, "Okay, now this character is going to say something like this:" and then they do. Writing predictable dialogue is NOT good writing. It is tedious and boring. AND NO ONE IS AFRAID OF ANYTHING. Every time there's some sort of fight and someone is in danger of having a fist literally driven through their brain, no one seems the slightest bit concerned! And inevitably someone will go "Ho ho ho, pithy comment" just so we get to think they're badass. But you can't be a badass when EVERYONE is a badass; because it just makes badassery the norm. It becomes regular. I think Millar needs to mix it up a bit; he's getting stale to me. Though I am quite enjoying this latest run of Ultimates thus far. I don’t agree. Or maybe comics over the years has drilled into my head that more than one personality is capable of putting their underwear on the outside of their pants and fighting crime. I can see someone like Peter Parker existing; I can see someone like Clark Kent existing, and so on…people who aren’t arrogant overgrown testosterone glands who still have the stones and drive to be a super hero or what not.

But beyond my non-agreement, I don’t think we’re talking about exactly the same thing. I’m not saying everyone in Millar’s comics talk somewhat the same, I’m saying they talk almost EXACTLY the same. And it’s starting to get annoying. It’s to the point now that something happens and I’ll think, “Okay, now this character is going to say something like this:” and then they do. Writing predictable dialogue is NOT good writing. It is tedious and boring.

AND NO ONE IS AFRAID OF ANYTHING. Every time there’s some sort of fight and someone is in danger of having a fist literally driven through their brain, no one seems the slightest bit concerned! And inevitably someone will go “Ho ho ho, pithy comment” just so we get to think they’re badass. But you can’t be a badass when EVERYONE is a badass; because it just makes badassery the norm. It becomes regular.

I think Millar needs to mix it up a bit; he’s getting stale to me. Though I am quite enjoying this latest run of Ultimates thus far.

]]> By: Isaac http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3368 Isaac Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:42:52 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3368 but what I'm suggesting is that the kind of person to be a super hero, that brave, arrogant, narccisis of an individual, would of course speak that way. same with the villains in fact. recognising that, and writing to it, is actually kind of an innovation but what I’m suggesting is that the kind of person to be a super hero, that brave, arrogant, narccisis of an individual, would of course speak that way. same with the villains in fact.
recognising that, and writing to it, is actually kind of an innovation

]]> By: Caesar http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3349 Caesar Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:49:07 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3349 Yeah, it all works out okay in the context of one book -- sort of...even if the super heroes talk the same way the super villains do, and SHIELD agents, and so forth, but whatever, that's the style of the book. But when the Ultimates talk the same way as The Authority, or The FF, Millar's clever dialogue starts to reveal itself as a weakness rather than a strength, because he can't seem to write anyone any other way. Yeah, it all works out okay in the context of one book — sort of…even if the super heroes talk the same way the super villains do, and SHIELD agents, and so forth, but whatever, that’s the style of the book. But when the Ultimates talk the same way as The Authority, or The FF, Millar’s clever dialogue starts to reveal itself as a weakness rather than a strength, because he can’t seem to write anyone any other way.

]]> By: Isaac http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3348 Isaac Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:22:39 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3348 everyone spouting absurd testosterone lines makes perfect sense within the context of who these characters are- super heroes! it's essentially the equivalent of how wrestlers all sound alike (to some degree) everyone spouting absurd testosterone lines makes perfect sense within the context of who these characters are- super heroes! it’s essentially the equivalent of how wrestlers all sound alike (to some degree)

]]> By: Caesar http://mondomagazine.net/2009/u-is-for-the-ultimates/comment-page-1/#comment-3345 Caesar Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:12:58 +0000 http://mondomagazine.net/?p=7739#comment-3345 I do like the Ultimates; I remember the series with fondness. Mark Millar is a good writer, but he borders on ridiculous at times. I'm finding that all his characters spout the same absurd testosterone-soaked lines over and over again. Still, Ultimates is awesome when Jeph Loep isn't involved. He's terrible. I hesitate to call him a bad writer as well, but his horrendous projects are swiftly outnumbering his satisfactory ones. I do like the Ultimates; I remember the series with fondness. Mark Millar is a good writer, but he borders on ridiculous at times. I’m finding that all his characters spout the same absurd testosterone-soaked lines over and over again. Still, Ultimates is awesome when Jeph Loep isn’t involved. He’s terrible. I hesitate to call him a bad writer as well, but his horrendous projects are swiftly outnumbering his satisfactory ones.

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